Is the fourth commandment still binding on believers today?

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I have several godly friends who happen to be Seventh Day Adventist believers. We have in later days chosen to agree to disagree about certain Biblical doctrines (ahem). Obeying the command of Scripture I have, over the years, diligently tested their interpretations of Scripture with those of the historic Christian faith and most importantly, Scripture itself. Adventists are most passionate when it comes to their interpretation of Sabbath observance therefore I have focused my studies in this area. Volumes have been written on this very subject by men and women far more learned than the average “Joe”. Nonetheless, Scripture was written for all people. The Holy Spirit is ultimately the One who provides the interpretation and penetrates the heart of man by revealing the Father’s will. I happen to believe that this is a doctrine that does not bear on one’s salvation, though my Adventist brethren, if they were true to their Adventist heritage, would hastily disagree with me.  

The following is a brief, introductory cross section of some of those “questionable” issues which can be used as a springboard for further conversation: 

IS THE TEN COMMANDMENT LAW (containing the Sabbath) ETERNAL?

Scripture says the Law is not eternal. Galatians 3:19 gives the purpose of the Law. It says: “What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.” Note that when Paul refers to the law he is referring to the whole law, not just parts of it (see Rom 5:12-14). I believe this was illustrated dramatically when Jesus gave up His ghost and the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom (Matt 27:51). The law was given 430 years after Abraham. “What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.” Galatians 3:17-18.

The Law had a definite beginning time (430 years after Abraham) and a definite ending time, –When the promised Seed (Christ, vs. 16) came.

Other Scriptures such as Romans 5:12-14 indicate that there can be sin in the world, even BEFORE the Law was given. “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned — for until the Law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of Adam’s offense, who is a type of Him who was to come.”

CREATION & THE SABBATH: The Scriptures are very clear that the Sabbath of the fourth commandment was not given before Moses:

The Ten Commandments was not made with the fathers. Deuteronomy 5:2-3 says “The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of us alive here today.”

Nehemiah 9:13-14 says: “You came down on Mount Sinai; you spoke to them from heaven. You gave them regulations and laws that are just and right, and decrees and commands that are good. You made known to them your holy sabbath (when you came down on Mount Sinai) and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses.” (NIV).

Though Genesis 2:1-3 says that after the Lord had ended all His work He rested on the seventh day and blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, there is not a word about it being given to Adam and Eve as a commandment. You don’t hear another word about the Sabbath in the entire book of Genesis. All fifty chapters are silent about the Sabbath You do not hear that the righteous Patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob kept the Sabbath. There is a conspicuous silence for 2,500 years after the Fall of man. It is not until after the redemption of God’s people Israel out of Egypt when they are safely on the other side of the Red Sea that you read in the Book of Exodus that the Sabbath is mentioned again. (Exodus 16:22-30). Abraham was given commandments and ordinances, but the Sabbath is never mentioned as one of them.

The 7 post-resurrection appearances of Christ show that Jesus purposefully chose the first day of the week to meet with His disciples to encourage and exhort them. The evidence shows that five of these appearances occurred on a Sunday, the first day of the week. We do no have a record of what the actual day on which the other appearances (John 21 and Acts 1:6-10) occurred to His disciples. What we can say with accuracy is this, after Jesus’ resurrection whenever He met with His disciples and the day is identified, it is NOT the Sabbath, it is the first day of the week!

1). To Mary, On the morning of the resurrection – Matthew 28:8-10; Mark 16:9; John 20:11-18

2). To two disciples going to Emmaus – Luke 24:13-33; Mark 16:12-13

3). To Simon (Peter) – Luke 24:31-35.

4). To the eleven disciples on the evening of Resurrection Sunday – Mark 16:14-18;Luke 24:36-44; John 20:19-23

5). To the Eleven disciples “Eight days later” – John 20:26-29

Pentecost happened on the first day of the week! The Church was born on the first day of the week! That doesn’t make Sunday the Sabbath, it just tells you that after the resurrection of Jesus, the Sabbath is not emphasized. When a day is mentioned in connection with the appearances of the risen Lord Jesus, it is always the first day of the week. Look at the extremely important events that occurred in the life of the first followers of Christ on the first day of the week.1). Jesus startled them by appearing to them on the first day (John 20:19).2). Jesus received worship from Thomas (John 20:27-28).3). Sunday evening Jesus took bread and blessed it and broke it and gave it to His disciples evidently like He had in instituting the communion meal (Luke 22:19) and their “eyes were opened and they recognized Him” (Luke 24:31).4). Sunday evening Jesus blessed His disciples twice saying “Peace be with you” (John 20:20; 26).5). That same Sunday evening Jesus “…breathed on them and said, ‘receive the Holy Spirit'” John 20:22.6). On Sunday evening Jesus gave His disciples the ecclesiastical authority to proclaim forgiveness to those who believe in Him through the Gospel (John 20:23).

EVIDENCE THAT THE EARLY CHURCH WORSHIPPED ON SUNDAY FROM THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS

THE EPISTLE OF BARNABAS about A.D. 100 – “Wherefore, also we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead.”

THE EPISTLE OF IGNATIUS – A.D. 107 – “Be not deceived with strange doctrines, nor with old fables, which are unprofitable. For if we still live according to the Jewish Law, we acknowledge that we have not received grace….If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and By His death.”

THE WRITINGS OF JUSTIN MARTYR: A.D. 145-150 – “And on the day called Sunday all who live in cities or in the country gather together in one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read….But Sunday is the day on which we all hold a common assembly, because it is the first day of the week on which God…made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead.”

APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTIONS: Church life in the 2nd Century: – “On the day of the resurrection of the Lord–that is, the Lord’s Day–assemble yourself together without fail, giving thanks to God and praising Him for those mercies God has bestowed upon you through Christ.”

IRENEAEUS: A.D. 155-202 – “The Mystery of the Lord’s Resurrection may not be celebrated on any other day than the Lord’s Day, and on this alone should we observe the breaking off of the Paschal Feast.”

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29 Responses

  1. Whew! Why would God “add the law” if it wasn’t for the transgressions of His people? I imagine the Law was written out so that there would be no question what God’s will was. The Israelites had been slaves in Egypt a long time, and forced to work on the Sabbath day. Though the Scripture does not say much about the Sabbath before Moses, doesn’t mean it didn’t exist through the previous generations. Biblical record did not begin until Moses. Also, God made a covenant with not just Abraham, but the same covenant with Issac and Jacob and Israel. Read: Psalm 105:8-12. The everlasting covenant is found in Exodus 24:12, Exodus 34:28, Psalm 103:17, 18 and Psalm 103:17, 18.

    The Book of Hebrews clarifies the first and second covenant. The first covenant (The Ten Commandments) was established with the blood of animals and was temporary, and man failed to understand how the sacrificial animals pointed to Christ, but the second Covenant (the same Law written in the heart and mind) was established with the Blood of Jesus, the only one who can remove sin out of our hearts and minds. The first pointed to the second, and the second replaced the first. The basis of the covenant is everlasting: The Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments are God’s Ten promises that we can do what He says we can do, through the blood of the Lamb (John 1:29), the only way possible.

    So I believe we still have the Law of God, but it is established with the blood of Jesus, called the blood of the Everlasting Covenant, in Hebrews 13:20, 21. This is the only way to become perfect in Jesus Christ. When we are in Christ, we will truly be keeping the Law inside-out.

    I see many many places in Acts where the apostles kept the Sabbath day. There is no support from Scripture that the Sabbath day ended and Sunday is the Lord’s Day. The only Lord’s Day in the whole Bible is the seventh-day Sabbath (Mark 2:27, 28) Please write to me. ss

  2. Shelley,

    The reason why I am responding to you is purely out of love, not out of selfish ambition. Now I’m confident that you didn’t come to your beliefs lightly…nor did I. I might remind you that even first century believers had disagreements over Scripture interpretation now and again. It’s ok if we do as well so long as we do not divide over these issues. Also, it’s essential to have solid scriptural references for any given doctrine or belief. Since, as you say scripture doesn’t say much at all about the Sabbath before Exodus chapter 20 then we must tread very lightly in our convictions where pre-Mosaic covenant theology is concerned. Our convictions must be based on not the exception but the rule. Obscure or unclear passages should always be interpreted with clear and self evident ones. A conversation with a Jehovah’s Witness will quickly demonstrate this.

    Since Moses in fact wrote the entire Pentetuch and documented specific information from Adam until Moses, then it seems logical that he would have….no, should have mentioned the Sabbath many times before the giving of the law. Especially since, as Ellen White appeared to believe, it is the single most important commandment instituted by God! I shall endeavor to demonstrate why I find this uncharacteristically odd.

    We must observe what Scripture clearly says: “If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law” (Gal. 5:18). Alright, which law? When Paul speaks of the Law, he speaks of the whole law, not just part of it…for his teachings are always tied to the completeness of Christ’s sacrifice. Christ died once for all. We have no further debt that is held against our salvation. Nonetheless, Christians are now responsible for upholding a new law: Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ (Gal. 6:2). This passage is significant and flows seamlessly with the rest of Paul’s whole point in Galations. Yet most Christians, strong and weak in their faith, miss this great truth and are instead burdened by either their own spiritual apathy or their spiritual divisiveness.

    I believe that you are mistaken in saying that the second covenant is the “same law” as the first. Scripture itself confirms: “The time is coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah . It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers… Jer. 31:31 Most everything about the new covenant is different, it has to be! Otherwise it would have failed just as the first covenant did. For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law (Heb. 7:12).

    Romans 5:12-14 indicates that there can be sin in the world even BEFORE the Law was given. “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned — for until the Law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of Adam’s offense, who is a type of Him who was to come.” This scripture tells me that the “Law” did not formally exist from Adam until Moses nor was sin imputed to those souls who violated the law of God. Death was however.

    When does scripture say when the sabbath was officially introduced?
    Nehemiah 9:13-14 says: “You came down on Mount Sinai ; you spoke to them from heaven. You gave them regulations and laws that are just and right, and decrees and commands that are good. You made known to them your holy sabbath (when you came down on Mount Sinai ) and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses.” (NIV). This is referring to a point in history when the Mosaic covenant became “active”. Deuteronomy 5:2-3 buttresses this as follows: “The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of us alive here today.”
    Notice also that this Sabbath “SIGN” (Exodus 31:13) is between God and “the sons of Israel ” (Exodus 12:15,17) and not for all of mankind.

    In summary, scripture says that the covenant at Mt Sinai which included God’s holy Sabbath was made for the ones present and not for their ancestors. This coincides with the fact that Abraham and those before him lived by faith (not through the keeping of the Sabbath or any other commandment.). That faith alone was ultimately credited to him as righteousness.

    Now let’s look to the beginning:
    Though Genesis 2:1-3 says “that after the Lord had ended all His work He rested on the seventh day and blessed the seventh day and sanctified it”, there is not a word about the Sabbath being given to Adam and Eve as a commandment. You don’t hear another word about the Sabbath in the entire book of Genesis. All fifty chapters are silent about the Sabbath.

    Several important questions remained unanswered that would otherwise give steadfast evidence supporting the keeping of the Sabbath for Christians living today:

    -Why is it that nowhere in the New Testament is failure to keep the Sabbath day condemned as sin? Especially since it was written partly to Gentiles who would be ignorant of the Sabbath and would need information concerning it.
    -Why is the fourth commandment itself not repeated even ONCE in the New Testament? All other nine are!
    -If the Sabbath keeping is so important for a disciple of Christ, why was it not mentioned in His sermon on the Mount or in ANY of His teachings? Again, Christ knew that Gentiles would eventually be reading about Him and what He represented.
    -Why didn’t Jesus command Sabbath keeping? He obeyed it to fulfill the Scripture yet drew the line there.
    -Why didn’t any of the Apostles command Sabbath keeping?
    -Why didn’t the Jerusalem counsel command Sabbath keeping or condemn Sabbath breaking? (Acts 15)
    Personally, I have no problem with Adventists keeping a day for the Lord out of conviction inspired through prayer and their studies of Scripture….we all should. However I do take issue with any Adventist who insists that Saturday worship is somehow tied to salvation and that all Christians need to keep the Sabbath day holy. Moreover, some Seventh day Adventist churches even believe that Sunday worship is associated with the mark of the beast! The response to this also lies in the pages of scripture: Colossians 2:16-17 says: “Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day (ANY Sabbath day)–things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.” I would invite you to consider that it is inconsistent to base Sabbath keeping on the Law of Moses, and then fail to keep it in the manner prescribed by the Law of Moses. I believe Adventists are guilty of this.

    In the book of Acts all but one reference relates to the Sabbath observance in the synagogue (13:14, 27, 42, 44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4). Therefore, no conclusions can be drawn about mandatory Sabbath keeping for Jewish believers on the basis of these passages. These passages refer to Jewish unbelievers in the synagogue service, and say nothing about the meeting of the church. Paul attended these services for evangelistic purposes only as evidenced by his continual efforts to reason with them from the Scriptures.

    In regards to the Lord’s day: Revelation 1:10 does not refer to a specific day of the week such as the Sabbath, Saturday, or Sunday. Rather, it was a day in which John was enraptured by prophetic and divine ecstasy, and received divine revelation. In this passage, the term “Lord” (kuriake) in the Greek text is not a noun but an adjective. This is just one reason why it should not necessarily be linked with Mark 2:27, 28.

    If you care to continue this discussion, I would be more than willing. Please do not automatically believe what I have written, what your Pastor tells you or even what Ellen White has written. Instead, with your Bible simply examine the passages that I gave you, in context and with much prayer. The Lord will give the increase by granting you His wisdom. If I am wrong, then to my own master will I stand or fall, but I don’t believe that I am. Be fully convinced in your own mind. This is between you and our Saviour.

    Blessings,

    Jim

  3. Well said, Jim and in my view an extremely accurate and thoughtful interpretation of an issue that could, but shouldn’t be divisive.

    I’m quite content to consider my Adventist brothers and sisters as equals in Christ , so long as their salvation is founded on a basic belief similar to mine, in Jesus. That they also wish to believe in Jesus PLUS is not necessarily harmful, as long as the ‘plus’ part is understood to apply mainly to them.

    But when they arrogantly consider the ‘plus’ stuff to be the main part – a point which is clearly not supported by NT scripture – they go too far. I still love them and pray for them, but in-so-doing they clearly demonstrate a trait Paul severely warns us about – it seems they would rather trust the writings of a flawed human then an infallible scripture.

    God bless you on your ‘mission’.

  4. The arguments that you make from silence (ie that the Sabbath command was not explicitly stated to Abraham etc) only proves silence, which ultimately proves nothing. Would you not acknowledge that the Sabbath is a creation ordinance as God hallowed the seventh day? If that is the case then there is no need for God to repeat the obligation to keep one day holy. Moreover, the fact that something is not explicitly stated as a command in an earlier portion of Scripture does not mean that it was not a moral duty.

  5. Here is a great link for further detailed information on the Sabbath:
    http://greenbaggins.wordpress.com/2005/09/15/from-sabbath-to-lords-day-2/

  6. I must amend my post by noting that the Sabbath is mentioned here:

    Exo 16:22 And it happened, on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
    Exo 16:23 And he said to them, This is that which Jehovah has said, Tomorrow is the rest of the holy sabbath to Jehovah. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil. And that which remains over, lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

    Which is why Exodus chapter 20:8 says “Remember the Sabbath day”.

  7. Hi,
    It’s interesting that we all acknowledge God’s blessing and sanctifying (actually setting the day aside and hallowing it) and then we later move down in history – especially in the NT and say the exact opposite, that the Day is not important and no longer hallowed (really means to regard as Holy) by God. We’d rather substitute our own with false reasoning from scriptures. Look at the history concerning how Sunday came to be considered the Christian’s ‘Day of Rest’ and the question really then turns on Peter and John’s statement of conviction to the Sanhedrin Council…”It’s better to obey God rather than men”…meaning, I’d rather go along with what God says, than an edict from the Pope or the Roman Catholic Church. That I believe is the REAL ISSUE.

  8. Worrel,

    I would invite you to read the following and respond to it directly before we go off on the Roman Catholic Church. An edict from the pope was not responsible for Christians worshiping on the first day if the week. No, in fact the resurrection of our Saviour Jesus Christ was. I worship on the first day f the week because thats when Christ was raised. Thats also when the disciples and early church fathers worshiped. The evidence is all right there in Scripture and in the early church writings. Yet, I digress.

    Why is the the seventh “day” is no longer hallowed? Scripture itself confirms: “The time is coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah . It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers… Jer. 31:31 Most everything about the new covenant is different, it has to be! Otherwise it would have failed just as the first covenant did. For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law (Heb. 7:12). Worrel, you and I would both agree that the law of God is eternal, right? Where we disagree is which covenant the sabbath as well as other laws are bound to.

    Personally, I have no problem with Adventists keeping a day for the Lord out of conviction inspired through prayer and their studies of Scripture….we all should. However I do take issue with any Adventist who insists that Saturday worship is somehow tied to salvation and that all Christians need to keep the Sabbath day holy. Moreover, some Seventh day Adventist churches even believe that Sunday worship is associated with the mark of the beast! The response to this also lies in the pages of scripture: Colossians 2:16-17 says: “Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day (ANY Sabbath day)–things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.” I would invite you to consider that it is inconsistent to base Sabbath keeping on the Law of Moses, and then fail to keep it in the manner prescribed by the Law of Moses. I believe Adventists are guilty of this.

    Romans 5:12-14 indicates that there can be sin in the world even BEFORE the Law was given, doesn’t it- “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned — for until the Law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of Adam’s offense, who is a type of Him who was to come.” This scripture tells me that the “Law” did not formally exist from Adam until Moses nor was sin imputed to those souls who violated the law of God. Death was however.

    When does scripture say when the sabbath was officially introduced? Nehemiah 9:13-14 says: “You came down on Mount Sinai ; you spoke to them from heaven. You gave them regulations and laws that are just and right, and decrees and commands that are good. You made known to them your holy sabbath (when you came down on Mount Sinai ) and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses.” (NIV). This is referring to a point in history when the Mosaic covenant became “active”. Deuteronomy 5:2-3 buttresses this as follows: “The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of us alive here today.” Notice also that this Sabbath “SIGN” (Exodus 31:13) is between God and “the sons of Israel ” (Exodus 12:15,17) and not for all of mankind.

    Several important questions remained unanswered that would otherwise give steadfast evidence supporting the keeping of the Sabbath for Christians living today. Would you please help me answer them?

    1) Why is it that nowhere in the New Testament is failure to keep the Sabbath day condemned as sin? Especially since it was written partly to Gentiles who would be ignorant of the Sabbath and would need information concerning it.
    2) Why is the fourth commandment itself not repeated even ONCE in the New Testament? All other nine are!
    3) If the Sabbath keeping is so important for a disciple of Christ, why was it not mentioned in His sermon on the Mount or in ANY of His teachings? Again, Christ knew that Gentiles would eventually be reading about Him and what He represented.
    4) Why didn’t Jesus command Sabbath keeping? He obeyed it to fulfill the Scripture yet drew the line there.
    5) Why didn’t any of the Apostles command Sabbath keeping?
    6) Why didn’t the Jerusalem counsel command Sabbath keeping or condemn Sabbath breaking? (Acts 15)

    I appreciate and await your responses.

    Lord bless,

    Jim

  9. THANK YOU FOR YOUR DARLING AGUEMENT IN REGARD TO JUSTIFYING SUNDAY AS A DAY OF WORSHIP. HOWEVER, WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN JESUS NEVER AROSE ON THE SABBATH INSTEAD HE RESTED AS IT WAS THE CUSTOM OF THE JEWS IN THE GRAVE. THUS NON RESURRECTION OF JESUS ON SATURDAY DOES JUSTIFY THE THE REST /SABBATH AS CONTAINED I N THE CREATION REALM BY GOD.

  10. My dear Brother Jim,
    If you are able to prove to me from scriptures that Jesus rose from the dead on a Sunday, then I will know without a doubt that I no longer need to keep the Sabbath. It cannot be shown from the scriptures that Jesus’ resurrection was on a Sunday. Again, that is a Romish fallacy.

  11. Worrel,

    Thanks for the question. Mark 16:9 clearly states that Christ rose on the first day of the week? “Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons.” See also (Matt. 28:1-7; Luke 24:1; John 20:1). I gather you don’t accept the validity of this portion of Scripture. Do you know that ancient Jewish historians confirm this? http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/num56.htm (about halfway down the page)

    In your view what bearing does the day which Jesus rose have on the institution of the New Covenant and moreover why will “you know without a doubt that you no longer need to keep the Sabbath” once you resolve this answer? Where are you going with this?

    Lord bless, Jim Richardson

  12. Good morning Jim, I see that the disagreements just keep coming. I am so grateful that you are such a wonderful Christian that we can agree to disagree. I want you to know that you are the first person I have talked to from another denomination who has been willing to show me by the Bible why you believe the way you do vs the way I do. The Lord has truly blessed me by your friendship and devotion to Him and His Word. I have even gone over some of our discussions again with prayer and Bible study. If you don’t mind may I please respond again to the above comments along with some new questions? I have missed our conversations on this topic. In response to your above questions 1-6, I had hoped previously that I had helped you to understand why Sabbatarians don’t buy into those questions. First of all, the 7th day Sabbath was what was being kept during that time therefore; why would Christ need to re-establish the Sabbath commandment? Also, the Apostles had no authority to override God’s commands, but beside that point they never needed to because they were keeping it as was their custom along with teaching on it not only to Jews but to Gentile Christians and not just in the Synagogues because it states that genitle Christians met with them on Sabbath and asked that they come back the next three Sabbaths. We don’t buy into them either because we are more concerned with what the Bible does say rather than what it does not say, however; if we want to go that route then why didn’t Christ command another day of worship and make it holy before His death so as to establish it as a part of the New Covenant, He certainly didn’t hesitate to tell them to keep the Lords Supper or anything else for that matter? Finally, as I have tried to help you understand before in our conversations, we believe that the 7th day Sabbath was restated along with the other 9 commands in the NT in Hebrews 4. We agree that all of the commandments are listed in the NT although they are scattered throughout. I wanted to also let you know that I found that as you responded to me about my comments on Lev. 23:38 where the Lord said these do beside the sabbaths of the Lord by pointing out to me that the word sabbath there is plural, I also found that in Col. 2:16 in the original greek and in the NKJ version it states let no one judge you in New Moons or sabbaths. Again, plural. You made the comment above that Seventh Day Adventist’s should be keeping the Sabbath according to the law of Moses, but remember we don’t see the Sabbath of the 10 Commandments as the law of Moses. We see it as the law of God, that stood eternal, before the laws of Moses were added til the Seed should come. I know you say that because God didn’t say and the evening and the morning were the 7th day that it proves that the Sabbath is eternal rest, but again as you told me once before about my comment that would be reading something into it that just isn’t there. As I prayed about it it came to me that for me to agree with that is the same as saying that okay God didn’t finish His thought there so let me finish it for Him. We can all put anything in the blanks that we like. I hope I am not being offensive because that is not my intention. I just want you to know that I take the Lord seriously and if He wants me to do something differently than what I have learned I am willing to listen and study because my sole purpose is to do His will and I believe you are a true man of God so I am willing to test your thoughts with scripture as well. Finally, I wanted to ask you a couple of more new questions and get your views on this. 1 John says that sin is the transgression of the law, and Paul says in Romans that where there is no law there is no transgression and that the law is Holy, Just and Good, and that we don’t make it void but that we establish it. Please, don’t take me wrong in this, I know that you must read the whole chapter in order to put it in it’s proper context, and I know that Paul and John are giving a whole discourse on salvation by grace through faith, but just on those to statements alone, it came to me that if the 10 commandments didn’t exist in Heaven, then how could Lucifer sin by coveting God’s position? Please, remember I don’t believe that we are saved by keeping anything, but by the precious blood of Jesus and His grace through faith. The next thing I would like your view on is this, if you believe we should keep the other nine commandments, which you state are a part of the Old Covenant, then doesn’t that put you back under the Old Covenant too? I mean do I understand correctly that you believe that since all of that was given at Sinai it is a part of the Old Covenant that was done away with? Finally, my last thought is this, isn’t legalism based on the motive of the heart as to why we chose to do anything or everything we do for the Lord, be it the Sabbath, or a mission trip or going to church on Sunday, or giving to the poor, etc. etc.

    Thank You for you patience with me!
    Your Friend and Sister in Christ Always,
    Lynn

  13. Lynn, it’s great to hear from you again. I have given your comments prayerful meditation and would now like to respond based on what the Lord has shown me. Please test what I write with His Word and let others you trust read this also. Before I continue, may I say that I do NOT judge you at all as to which day you worship and consider you a sister in Christ regardless as to our differing views on the Lord’s Sabbath rest. You are so sweet and zealous for the Lord. Yet my prayer has been that Sabbatarians would likewise respect the interpretation of their Sunday observing brethren and all of us would walk together in Christ winning souls for His glory….arm in arm. With His grace, I live my life in such a way where one day is no different from the other in terms of my worship of Him. Sunday is simply my day of corporate worship along with the gathering of His tithes and offerings. The Lord has long since placed on my heart the reason why Christ did not assign another “holy” day since the absolution of the Sabbath command. I believe it’s because He wants us to rest in Him permanently, not in just one 24 hour period. This is another benefit of the promise of a “better” covenant.

    As you noted, Scripture tells us that there remains a Sabbath-rest for the people of God, for anyone who enters God’s rest, also rests from his own work, just as God did (referring to Genesis chapter 2). The author of Hebrews urges is to make every effort to enter that rest and be not like our forefathers who were unable to enter His rest due to unbelief (Heb 3,4). They kept the Sabbath day yet never entered into His Sabbath rest (which is found in Christ) thus the distinction which I have posited from the very beginning. Please don’t miss this vital Scriptural truth. Therefore in my view in accord with Scripture the Sabbath mentioned in Hebrews 4 cannot be the weekly Sabbath. The passage is instead referring to the rest we enter into when we become believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. The word “belief” is associated directly to His Sabbath rest. Again, we rest in Him at the moment of our salvation experience…while the battle within our sinful flesh wages on until our natural death, which Paul talks about in Romans 7:15. I think you and I agree that the Sabbath rest is eternal but may disagree as to when and how we enter it….of which I shall try to detail below. In reference to one of your comments, I think it’s a logical assumption to say that God is still “resting” since the close of day 6 of creation. Moreover, since the six days of creation are almost certainly longer than 24 hour periods (as we know them) there is sufficient interpretive “wiggle” room to support this.

    Lynn, I view the essence of God’s law as being eternal but I do not share your view of an eternal Sabbath “command” nor do I think Scripture does. As we discussed, Col. 2:16 reminds us not to judge anyone in regards to any Sabbath day, which was a shadow of things to come, the substance/ reality being found in Christ. Yet you appear to be telling me that this “shadow” is eternal. As far as this passage is concerned, whether or not “Sabbath days” is plural or not (for there remains scholarly debate over this) this is of minor consequence simply because of the word “therefore” at the beginning of verse 16. The “therefore” refers back to the previous verses containing Paul’s argument which states that because the written code was cancelled (the ten commandments) we are no longer under their judgment (see Col. 2:13-15). Paul then continues on in chapter three reminding believers of their obligations as believers. Think also about this: At the end of the ages when all things are new, believers in Christ will enjoy continuous, present (Sabbath-rest) fellowship with our Lord. The concept of a Sabbath “day” will be replaced with an eternal vocabulary devoid of days, weeks and years.

    I have maintained throughout our discourse that the essence of God’s law (including and not limited to those contained in the 10 commandments) is eternal and binding (except for the Sabbath as I have argued). I’m not trying to “pick on” the 4th commandment specifically but have been referring to the entire (fulfilled) covenant itself. I have noted that Christ reiterated nine of the ten commandments (in addition to many other commands) during His earthly ministry. He did this because they represent His eternal nature not because they were bound in the Mosaic covenant. The 4th commandment is different from the others because it is based on a promise of eternal rest, not an eternal “weekly” rest. We should no longer hold on to the shadow when we have the promised substance, who is Christ! Note: Christ observed the Sabbath so as to fulfill the requirements of the law in force at that time. Remember when He was on the cross and the temple curtain was torn in two? This not only represented an end to the old covenant and the beginning of the new but it was one of the most significant events in human history.

    You and I agree that Scripture says the righteous will live by faith and that the Law is not based on faith (Gal. 3:11,12). This faith is grounded in Christ and everything He represents. Since He is the author of all law, we are commanded to cast out the “bondwomen” of the mosaic covenantal law and instead bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. Make no mistake, of course law exists in heaven, but it no longer represents a curse (as it was in covenantal form) to those who place their faith in Christ.

    Here’s one vitally important event that happened at Sinai according to Scripture: “What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.” Note that when Paul refers to the law he is referring to the whole law, not just parts of it (see Rom 5:12-14). The law was given 430 years after Abraham. “What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.” Galatians 3:17-18. Hence, we are under a covenant grace which has always included the laws which reflect God’s eternal nature. Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law. (Romans 13:8).

    Another fair question is this: Did Adam and Eve observe the Sabbath? Scripture is silent about this direct question. However, consider that the Lord walked with them in the cool of the day (Gen 3:8) before they sinned. They were enjoying Sabbath rest (and unaware of sin as demonstrated by their unembarrassed nakedness) until they got “booted” out of the garden after sinning, breaking their fellowship with our Lord. Nobody knows the duration of this period of time. Even after the fall, Scripture is silent about Sabbath observance for many generations. I digress.

    Your comment that “the Apostles had no authority to override God’s commands” is kind of peculiar to me. Help me to understand what you mean by it in light of the fact that some of these Apostles were commissioned and authorized to write the inspired Word.

    Your final question requires us to define our terms: Legalism, in Christian theology, is a pejorative term referring to an over-emphasis on law or codes of conduct, or legal ideas, usually implying an allegation of misguided rigor, pride, superficiality, the neglect of mercy, and ignorance of the grace of God or emphasizing the letter of law over the spirit. I am definitely not a Legalist. I pray that I serve Christ out of complete love for Him….never out of personal motives. I pray that I: Live by the Spirit and do not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. (Gal. 5:16).

    I appreciate you so much Lynn and pray that I have answered you thoroughly with gentleness and respect.

    Jim Richardson

  14. Dear Jim,
    You are always gentle and respectful and I am grateful for you. I feel horrible, because I think I misled you into believing that I am judging you. No way Jim, I esteem you better than myself. I have told my friends and family what a wonderful Christian man you are and how well educated and versed you are. Because I respect you and whom you represent, I just wanted to get your view on some of what I had experienced in my studies early on during my honeymoon stage with Christ. I still do not follow all of what you are saying from the stand-point that it seems to me that not only you but others I have spoken with put the 10 Commandment Laws together with the Mosaic Laws, so it is hard for me to see where if they all go together then to keep any of them would still put us back under the Old Covenant. But it is okay, because we are truly saved by grace through faith. I will continue to pray that the Lord helps me to understand this point as well as whatever else the Holy Spirit lays upon my heart in harmony with Scripture. I believe that you have brought me closer to being able to be comfortable with someone of another faith, other than my husband. I must say that even when I have visited other Church’s since becoming an Seventh Day Adventist, (I visited several times because a friend of mine was looking for a new home church that kept Sunday) I was not accepted very well even though I made it plain that I was there to help my friend find a church home which in and of itself should have proven my willingness to embrace others who differ from myself. I know that this exists within all denominations including some of my denomination’s churches. We have Liberal’s and Conservative’s just as other faith’s do, so please forgive me if I have made you feel this way with my last email. I don’t ever want to make someone feel that way, it is not a nice feeling and I truly think of you as my brother in Christ no matter what differences we may have. When we hurt others we transgress the Law, and once something is said or an act has taken place it cannot be taken back, all we can do is ask for forgiveness, but it doesn’t take away the damage that was done. I am sorry if I have done that thank you so much for your kind response and patience with me. May I always show the same kindness. I do not believe you are a legalist, the point I was trying to make was that as I am sure you are aware that Seventh Day Adventist’s are considered legalistic by most other denominations, but that I believe that it is legalism only when you do anything for the Lord thinking that it will save you whether it be keeping the Law or feeding the hungry, etc. You know the Pharisee that said “thank you Lord that I am not like that sinner over there” and then went down the list of all that he did for the Lord. I wish that all Christian’s were as open and kind as you are then we would all enjoy God’s family even more.

    Lynn

  15. Jim I wanted to respond to you quickly as far as making sure that I haven’t offended you in any way, but as you have responded to me about the questions I asked, I also would like to pray and study and ask for God’s guidance before I respond to your direct question about the Apostle’s lack of authority to override God’s Commands.

    God Bless,
    Lynn

  16. Good Morning, and God Bless,
    I am not sure how to put all of this into words and context that makes sense, therefore; I am counting on the Holy Spirit to relay it to me again as it was given at 1 O’clock this morning to me when I was awakened by what I believe was the Spirit of the Lord in answer to my prayers. Dear sweet Jim, words cannot describe what a gift you have been to me from the Lord. You have awakened in me another zeal that had been lost. I have prayed and prayed and wept as I begged the Lord to show me what He would have me do. I told Him that all I want is to live a life that is pleasing to Him and to show me His truth so that I may abide in Him and live obediently. I feel the need to tell you that I agree with you in some areas especially when it comes to salvation by grace thru faith and that this past couple of days I studied only the scriptures themselves and took nothing else from any other author. I wasn’t sure how long it would take for the Lord to respond to my prayers but He did around 1 O’clock this morning and my mind ran rampant with scripture and thoughts from the Holy Spirit. It was brought to my mind that first of all our difference is as you stated that I believe the Sabbath of the 4th Commandment is still very much apart of the moral law and is eternal, and therefore that it along with the other 9 commands is also a part of God’s unchangable character, therefore; the Apostles had no power or authority to change it to another day because they have no power over God’s Character it is who He is. But apart from that I don’t believe that scripture clearly shows that they ever tried to change it. I can agree that sometime after the Apostle’s men kept Sunday because they didn’t want to be associated with the Jews in any way, but it was never commanded by Jesus, or the Father or the Disciples. Please bear with me as I am not as educated as you are so I don’t always put things together in a way that is conducive to another’s understanding that is why I am clinging to the Holy Spirit here. All of my education has come from praying and reading the Bible without any formal education. Please don’t misunderstand me, I still very much believe that you as well as millions of other Sunday observing Christians are just as saved as I am and would never be so bold as to take on the prerogatives of God by judging another mans heart. It was brought to my attention again as I studied that there were six yearly festivals also called sabbaths in Leviticus which were to be kept beside the Sabbaths of the Lord. There was as you know the Lord’s Passover, the Festival of Unleavened Bread, the Festival of Weeks later known as Pentecost. Then there was the Festival of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement and finally the Festival of Shelters. These are what we believe were a shadow of things to come which were added till the Seed should come along with the sacrificial system which pointed to Christ.

    It was also brought to my attention early this morning that the first four Commandments are about our worship of God and the last six are about our duty to fellow man. If I am not worshiping God according to His command then it becomes a form of Idolatry and I am not loving Him with all of my heart,soul,strength and mind. If I cannot love God first then I am incapable of knowing how to love my neighbor. The next thing that the Holy Spirit impressed me with was that Exodus 20:11 connects the Sabbath to Genesis 2:2 based on the fact that it states Who the One and Only Creator is, it says plainly because God rested on it after creating the Heavens the Earth the Sea and all that is in them. Next, that the Sabbath was not just for the Jews because God told them that even the Stranger within their gates was to rest on that day and that Jesus never said in Mk 2:27 that the Sabbath was made for the Jews or Israel, but that it was made for Man. Also the Sabbath was in effect before the Law given at Sinai based on Exodus 16 and Genesis 2. Again, Hebrews makes it clear that we are to enter spiritual rest in Christ I can certainly agree with that, but it also connects the 7th day Sabbath as an obligation in verse 4. I know that they as you say were already keeping the physical Sabbath but they were failing to understand the spiritual aspect of resting in Christ, as now we understand the aspect of spiritual rest in Christ but we fail to rest on the physical 7th day Sabbath. The Sabbath is a sign given by God to remind us that He is the only one with the power to create, unlike Satan who is the god of this world. It shows our allegiance to God when worshiping Him. In Revelation 14:6-7 the Angel cries out telling those to come out of Babylon and to worship Him who made the Heavens, the Earth and the Springs of Water. The Sabbath is the symbol of who we worship, the Creator or the created? Seven is God’s sign of completeness, the number seven is all throughout the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. The seventh day, seven lamp stands, seven churches, dip thyself in the water seven times, circle the walls seven times, I could go on and on but it isn’t necessary. Satan’s sign is incomplete and he always sets up a false institution that is so close to the real that it will deceive even the elect if possible. He knows scripure better than we do, after all he quoted it to Christ in Matthew 4. I have truly prayed and studied earnestly asking the Lord to lead me again in the direction He would have me go and these are the answers I received early this morning. I thank you and appreciate you so much for taking the time to answer my questions and allow me another school of thought on scripture as well as a much better understanding of my other brother’s and sister’s in Christ. I will be forever grateful.

    Love in Christ Jesus,

    Lynn

  17. Lynn,

    I am so blessed to be called your brother in Christ and I think its awesome how we can both agree to disagree and still forge ahead for the sake of the Gospel. We know that disagreements often cause divisions which then cause heartache and discord, yet this has been the case from the very beginning of the church. Nonetheless, I believe that the Lord continues to bless our conversation and friendship. Praise His name!

    You may have misunderstood me in relation to the comment that the Apostles had no power or authority to change the Sabbath to another day. I just want to make sure I’m clear on this: Sunday should NOT be considered a Sabbath as the Sabbath day has NOT been changed. Sunday is simply a day when our church gathers collectively to worship Him. There is nothing theologically significant about this day other than that. I certainly agree that it was never changed by Jesus, or the Father or the Disciples. The Lord also showed me this: As water is the physical medium of our baptism, it’s the Holy Spirit who seals us in our spiritual baptism. The substance (the Spirit) is infinitely more significant than the sign (the water). So as it is with His Sabbath rest, which is now our spiritual rest. The physical rest was the “signpost” if you will, that led us to His true rest. Now that we have entered into it, the physical rest has served it’s purpose and is now replaced with a 24/7 intimate fellowship with the Lord where everything we do in our lives (should) give glory to Him and draw others to Him. In my view, to set aside a day of rest after the Lord’s completed work on the cross, compromises His gift of a rest that is permanently entered into.

    Lynn, may I ask you one more question: When eternity is finally upon us and we are in the everlasting presence of our Lord amidst the new heavens and new earth, how does an eternally binding Sabbath day (24 hour period) fit into an eternal perspective where time has been replaced with eternity? Certainly we, as with the angels of the Lord, will be worshipping Him not just one day a week but continuously in His presence! I see the other 9 commandments representing the eternal significance of God’s nature but I do not see an eternal Sabbath day (24 hour period) vs an eternal Sabbath rest. At that point, how can you have both?

    Ultimately, I uphold Romans chapter 14 and would never judge another believer as to which day they keep holy to the Lord. An authentic Sabbath service is a beautiful thing and most certainly pleasing unto the Lord so I am joyful with you in your Sabbath worship.

    In His love,

    Jim Richardson

  18. Thank you for your response, I will get back to your question as quickly as possible and look foreward to our discussions again. Thank you for making me think it draws me closer to His Word.

  19. Hello Jim,

    I apologize for taking so long to get back with you, but we have had some issues in my family that I felt I must handle before getting back to you since my mind and heart was with the issues at hand. I thank you as well that you see me as your sister in Christ, you are a rare find and such a jewel. May the Lord continue to bless you and your loved ones. I cherish your views and your willingness to take of your time by showing me another school of thought. You know when I attended other denominations and I would ask questions I was always given a canned answer, such as it doesn’t matter what day we keep because we are saved by grace and for that matter it doesn’t matter about any of the commandments because of grace, or the days were changed by the Apostles, or we don’t know which day the 7th day is, but as I read my bible I couldn’t’ get past Genesis 2 and Exodus 16 and 20, because I could see a direct connection between the two. Then in the NT I saw that the Sabbath was constantly brought up and that Jesus and His disciples were keeping it. Then when I found Hebrews and it again brought up the 7th day in connection with resting my convictions became even stronger. I remember telling someone when I first became a born again Christian that God didn’t care what day we kept, but as I read and studied the Sabbath became more and more apparent as a direct link to my being the created and my Lord and Savior being the one and only Creator. That it was the fact that He rested after the 6 days of creation and set apart the 7th day and directly linked it again in Exodus 20:11. I can see your point about baptism that is a beautiful view, however; I also see that we are to still be baptized even though Christ fulfilled baptism. When we fall in love with Jesus, we want to be buried with Him and raised again to a new life. I see the same thing in the 7th day Sabbath. Christ also set the example and since He was there in the beginning He also created the 7th day and sanctified it and set it apart as Holy.

    As I read about your view that our rest is now a 24/7 rest, it leads me to believe that you think because I keep the 7th day Sabbath that I don’t worship and rest in the Lord 24/7, that I only do that on the 7th day of the week. But that is not the case at all, I would not have one moments peace and would never be at rest if I had not found Christ my Savior. I used to be the most high strung out of control drunken drug abuser that stumbled around the house. I drank and used drugs to cover over the abusive marriage I was in and hide from the constant pain, but when Christ came into my heart and gave His peace that passes all understanding and I was so filled with the Holy Spirit that I would study 24/7 to the point I would forget to even eat my whole life became restful in Christ Jesus. As far as your question about how the Sabbath will fit into eternity when there are no days or weeks or months marked off I don’t know exactly how things run in heaven, but I was pointed to these scriptures: Rev 21:25 On no DAY will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. And Rev 22:2 On each side of the river stood the tree of Life, bearing 12 crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every MONTH. May I ask you another question? How many Christians do you know give God their undivided attention in this fast paced world where Satan distracts us and uses everything around us technology wise and then some to cause us to forget God and worship the created instead of the Creator? You and I worship the Lord everyday, but most of us have to go to work, or have so much on our plate that we need to refresh and renew. I not only give my time during the week but the 7th day is a day that I know I will not be working, watching TV, going to the store or to a restaurant, doing housework or anything but devoting my time to the Lord. Working in a hospital I have learned that rest plays a huge part in my physical,mental, and spiritual well being. When I am rested and healthy then I am able to think more clearly and am a much happier Christian.

    In heaven Satan won’t be there to distract us and cause us to forget our Creator, we will be with Him 24/7 for eternity thereby making the Sabbath an eternal part of God’s Character whether worshiping Him 24/7 or however time will run then. I view the Sabbath as a symbol of who we worship now while here on this earth because it is a constant reminder to stop all of our works and remember His works. I also rejoice with you in your convictions about resting 7 days a week in Christ and it is because of Him and His spirit that is in you that I can honestly rejoice with you.

    Shalom,
    Lynn

  20. Lynn,

    I appreciate your comments so much and I LOVE the fact that the Lord has spoken to you about these issues…and you listened. When the Lord has spoken, that always ends the debate!

    I believe we have demonstrated that both of us have a healthy understanding of the Scripture and that Christ is foremost in our lives. I sure am glad to know that there are devoted believers out there like you. I will be praying for your family.

    Can I nitpick at one more thing that you said (then I can look forward to another message from you ;-)):

    You quoted: “Rev 21:25 On no DAY will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no NIGHT there”
    My immedaite thought was well, how can there be a day without a night? My answer is that John is using vocabulary that his readers can understand even though he is speaking in an eternal perspective. Personally, I would hesitate before using this passage within a doctrinal arguement….buts that’s just me. You must do what the Lord puts on your heart.

    Continued blessings to you Lynn, please write back soon!

    Jim Richardson

  21. Jim,
    I must smile when you respond to me, I have grown so fond of you. I had to laugh to myself when I read your reply. I too noticed that there is no night there and it makes sense as to what you are saying. I guess I didn’t think of it as a doctrinal argument, but that again I do not know how things will operate in Heaven, only that it will be far beyond what we can fathom. Again, I don’t know how the Sabbath will be spent in Heaven, I just know that for now on this sinful earth we were given it as a weekly observance made Holy by God and set apart to help us remember Him as our only God and Creator. When we are in Heaven we will be with Him and it will be more tangible than what we now have. Faith and hope is what we now hold fast to. You are such a blessing, you make me use the brain God gave me and draw me nearer to His Word and to believer’s other than those in my own denomination. I have always wondered why other’s believe the way they do and you have shown me by scripture why, which breaks down the barrier I once felt existed. Let me continue to pray and look deeper into Heaven and I am sure you will hear from me again. If you ever want to just talk apart from this site, please feel free to email me privately, you have become an inspiration in my life and a true friend.

    In Christ the Alpha and the Omega,

    Lynn

  22. I came accross this article and it makes a very very week argument against the sabbath.

    first off, Galations 3:19 goes on. “The Law was put into effect by angels by a mediator”. Who is the mediator, but Jesus. So the Law as stated here has not been made reduntant but was put into effect from tablet to hearts.

    Jesus himself said in Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fullfill. For verily, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one title will pass from the law till all is fullfilled. Whoever therefore breaks the least of these commandments and teaches men to do so shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven.”. So by saying that there was a start and end to the law, was Jesus lying here? He clearly states that the Law will continue until the ends of the earth.

    1 John 2:4 – “He that says, I know him and keeps not his commandments is a lier and the truth is not in him”.

    Ezekiel 20:12 “I gave them my sabbaths to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the lord that sanctified them”

    Matthew 15:9 “They worship me in vain, their teachings are the rules taught by man”

    James 2:10 “For whoever keeps the WHOLE LAW and yet stumbles at just 1 point is guilty of breaking all of it”

    Exodus 19:5 “If you obey me fully and keep my covernant, then out of all the nations you will be my treasured posetion”

    John 14:15 “Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments”

    All these scriptures not only support the sabbath, but go onto prove that the Law is still relevant today as it was 3000 years ago.

    Nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the appostles ordered that the sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday, also Jesus never Broke any laws of moses. He followed the law his whole life. Many fail to understand that the new covernant includes a better way to impliment the same set of laws that were given on Mt Sinai

    in addition, there is a huge precident that the sabbath was in effect before given to moses.

    Genisis 2:2 “By the 7th day, God had finnishd the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. >>And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy<<, because on it he rested from all the work of creating he had done.”

    He made the sabbath in the Garden of eden. This was before the fall so is probably the greatest of all laws. It was blessed and made holy from the start so where is the argument?

  23. Fellow TruthSeeker,

    You may not agree with it but my arguement! it certainly far from very, VERY weak. Give me a break!

    Here’s one reaon why:
    You qouted part of Galations 3:19 to support your arguement without realizing that the surrounding verses actually contradict your reasoning. Remember: context, context, context!

    First af all verse 19 says that the law was ADDED as well as ordained…you left that out. Please also note that in verse 24 Paul refers directly to this law as the “schoolmaster” whch brings us to Christ. Verse 23: But before faith (Christ) came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Verse 25: But after that faith (Christ) is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. We all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus and are heirs according to the promise of grace through Abraham….not the law.

    Verse 6,8: Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. Friend, you cannot keep the ten commandments…..NOBODY can!

    I now have a question for you about verse 13: Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree. This is the same law Paul mentions a few verses later. Are you to suggest that this is ceremonial law only?

    Lord bless,
    Jim Richardson

  24. Fellow TruthSeeker,

    Can you refer me to anything which I have previously posted where I imply that “Christ or the appostles ordered that the sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday”? I am in no way claiming this (In fact Scripture denies it) therefore I’m curious as to what your motivation was for writing it?

    I think it’s important to take the time to understand everything written in context (in this thread) before shooting from the hip with unrelated Scripture passages and commentary.

    By the way, since you brought it up, God is still “resting” since the seventh day began. When I enter the rest of Jesus Christ, I too am resting in His grace. Believers in Christ are under a covenant of grace. Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law. (Romans 13:8).

    Jim

  25. What scares me the most of all this, is the fact that Jim is a teacher and he is teaching others to break God’s command (not for salvation but because of our love for HIM). Scary.

  26. Isa 66:22-24. and the book of revelation.are both end time doctrine of GODS LAW still binding for all flesh [ mandkind ] sabbaths, newmoons, this is GODS LAW not our traditions of men. Jesus spoke whosoever breaks the least of these commandment has broken them all including the sabbath. where has Jesus in scripture spoke about changing his sabbath, remenber he said he was the lord of the sabbath not sunday. the book of Hebrews 9:16-17 said it best where there is a testament there has to be the death of the tesator to validate that testament. no where does the Lord Jesus mention any thing about changing the sabbath or any other commandment of the ten. what paul is refuring to is the sin from the law which is against us has been naild to the cross of Chrit but there should be no distinction between jew and gentile we are all citizens of the commwealth of isarel proper. I am not a adventest to me there doctrine leaves a lot to be desired allong with alot of main streem churches its realy about Luving GOD and our fellow man as our selfs this fulfills all the law and the profits the word fulfill in the greek means to perfect to make complete not to do away with again what was done away with is the sin that was against us thats what jesus nailed to the cross and abolished not his moral law or code to live by.

  27. This is false teaching Mathew 5: 17, 5:19

  28. i’ve done so much research on this and still confused about the sabbath

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